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29 dic 2013

Jared Leto’s Artifact | Fucine Mute webmagazine

Jared Leto’s Artifact
La verità, vi prego, sulle case discografiche
28 DICEMBRE 2013
Avevamo venduto milioni di album. Poi scoprimmo che non saremmo mai stati pagati un solo centesimo e che eravamo in debito per milioni di dollari. Il nostro errore fu di dire ok ad una tradizione.
Jared Leto, da Artifact
La musica è il veicolo più potente del mondo.
Kenna, tecnico e musicista, da Artifact
Voglio solo suonare, suonare, suonare.
Shannon Leto, da Artifact
30 Seconds to Mars
Sono lontani i tempi in cui i Sex Pistols, abilmente guidati da quel genio del crimine musicale che era Malcom McLaren, seminavano scandalo in Inghilterra a più non posso con il dichiarato intento di spingere la loro casa discografica di turno a rompere il contratto prima del previsto, allo scopo di farsi pagare una penale. Ora sembra che la moda tra le major della musica sia quella di finire in tribunale con i propri artisti.
Ne sanno qualcosa i Pink Floyd, che hanno fatto causa alla EMI sulla spinosa questione delle royalties, ma non solo. L’elenco potrebbe continuare, ma un caso su tutti è diventato particolarmente famoso, non solo per l’esorbitante cifra chiesta alla band, ma anche per il modo in cui la lite è proseguita – EMI contro Thirty Seconds To Mars.
La storia parte da lontano. Nel 1998 Jared Leto, attore già acclamato dalla critica per la sua prima interpretazione d’effetto come protagonista nel film Prefontaineformò assieme al fratello Shannon una rock band che chiamarono, per l’appunto,Thirty Seconds To Mars. Appassionati di musica fin da bambini, cresciuti in un modo disordinato con una madre poco più che adolescente, ma sempre con qualche strumento in mano, i due fratelli Leto decisero di dare una svolta professionale alla loro passione, ma volevano farsi strada con le loro forze, al punto che Jared rifiutò di fare pubblicità alla band sfruttando la sua notorietà di attore. Fu così che nel 1999 la Virgin Records, una delle più importanti case discografiche del mondo, firmò un contratto con loro. La band, formata allora da quattro elementi, si mise subito al lavoro e nel 2002 pubblicò il primo album, chiamato proprio come loro: Thirty Seconds To Mars. Era un album non facile, brani con testi colmi di metafore e significati non sempre chiarissimi, ed a volte anche controversi, ma il successo li premiò immediatamente. L’album ottenne degli ottimi risultati di vendita e di critica, ed il pubblico scoprì questi quattro musicisti anche grazie alle numerose apparizioni live e televisive.
30 Seconds to Mars
Agli inizi del 2003 ci fu il primo cambiamento nella loro formazione, con l’abbandono della band da parte di Solon Bixler, il chitarrista, che fu sostituito da Tomo Milicevic.
Passarono due anni prima che i Thirty Seconds tornassero in studio. Nel 2004 iniziarono a comporre quello che sarebbe stato il loro secondo album, nonché quello che ne consacrò il successo a livello mondiale, A Beautiful Lie. La lavorazione non fu semplice, non solo per la precisione maniacale dei membri nel comporre e registrare i loro pezzi, ma anche perché ormai Jared Leto, il cantante della band, aveva raggiunto la fama come attore, e conciliare il doppio impegno, il cinema e la musica, stava diventando sempre più difficile. Al suo attivo aveva film come Fight Club, Panic Room, American Psycho ed aveva già ricevuto numerosi riconoscimenti e nomination per il suo lavoro. C’era quindi il problema di riuscire a far coincidere la carriera di attore, ormai professionista, con gli impegni della band, che fino a quel punto era comunque qualcosa più simile al divertimento che non ad una scelta professionale vera e propria.
A Beautiful Lie uscì nel 2005 ed ottenne subito, come dicevo, un notevole successo. Arrivarono i dischi d’oro e di platino, e le vendite erano ormai contate sui milioni di copie in tutto il mondo. Iniziò anche un tour che fece conoscere le loro abilità di musicisti live, la capacità invidiabile di coinvolgere l’audience nelle loro esibizioni, lo stretto contatto con i loro fan, che crescevano di giorno in giorno. Jared Leto sembrava però volere sempre di più, a livello artistico. Forte della sua esperienza nel mondo del cinema, decise di diventare il regista dei video tratti dal loro nuovo album, anche se scelse di firmarli con lo pseudonimo di Bartholomew Cubbins. Piccoli film d’autore, più che videoclip, che raccontano delle storie in pochi minuti, con una trama che si sviluppa intorno alle note delle loro canzoni.
30 Seconds to MarsLa band era ormai lanciata nell’Olimpo della musica. I più grandi festival europei, e non solo, li volevano sui loro palchi, le televisioni e le radio se li disputavano all’ultimo sangue, i loro concerti erano sold out; nacque addirittura un esercito dei loro fan, affettuosamente chiamati Echelon, che costituiscono ancora oggi il cosiddetto Mars Army, l’esercito dei Mars, appunto. Il video tratto dal loro singoloFrom Yesterday fu un tripudio di opulenza: tutta la band ed il loro staff si trasferirono in Cina dove diventarono la prima rock band a girare un video all’interno della Città Proibita (ma si sa, ormai la Cina si è svenduta al capitalismo occidentale senza grossi sensi di colpa). Il risultato fu un altro mini film della durata di tredici minuti e trenta secondi, che ricalca in modo quasi uguale il capolavoro di Bernardo Bertolucci L’Ultimo Imperatore, un omaggio di Jared Leto al cinema d’autore italiano, con l’aggiunta però di elementi visionari come nello stile della band. Imponente, sfarzoso, possente il video è ancora oggi uno dei più visionati su YouTube. Il video di A Beautiful Lie invece fu girato in Groenlandia, e da allora è iniziato l’impegno per la salvaguardia del circolo polare artico. Il video valse loro anche il prestigioso premio come miglior video agli MTV Europe Music Award, dove vinsero un altro premio – per la seconda volta di seguito – come migliore rock band.
Erano rimasti però in tre. Il bassista Matt Wachter li aveva lasciati, e non fu mai sostituito da un altro bassista in pianta stabile. Ormai i Thirty Seconds To Mars erano Jared Leto, cantante, chitarrista, occasionalmente bassista, polistrumentista, insomma; il fratello maggiore Shannon Leto alla batteria, percussioni e tutto ciò che si potesse percuotere con un paio di bacchette, essendo considerato oggi uno dei migliori batteristi al mondo, dall’energia inesauribile e dall’indiscussa creatività; ed infine il chitarrista (ma anche qui non si disdegnano altri strumenti, dal basso al violino) Tomo Milicevic.
Il cinema poteva aspettare, nonostante altri successi interpretati da Jared, comeGirl, Interrupted; Requiem For A Dream, un film dove già si intravedeva la precisione maniacale del cantante-attore nel calarsi in parti travagliate, che richiedono anche drastiche trasformazioni fisiche; ed il definitivo lancio che arrivò con Alexander di Oliver Stone, dove ricopriva il ruolo di Efestione, il grande amore, amico e consigliere di Alessandro Magno. Il film fu un tremendo flop ai botteghini USA, ma gli occhi azzurri di Jared fecero breccia nei cuori di milioni di ragazzine in tutto il mondo, che cominciarono ad appassionarsi anche alla sua musica – almeno quelle che già non facevano parte dell’esercito dei Mars.
30 Seconds to Mars
Era il 2008, ed era giunto il momento per i Thirty Seconds di cominciare a lavorare sul loro terzo album. Jared aveva deciso di fare un film sulla preparazione del loro nuovo lavoro, perciò era pronto a filmare tutto. Per quest’album avevano chiamato i produttori discografici Flood e Steve Lillywhite. Fu costruito uno studio di registrazione a casa di Jared, che sarebbe diventata il quartier generale da dove avrebbero lavorato nei mesi successivi. Tutto sembrava perfetto, ma un fulmine si abbatté sulle loro teste all’improvviso. La EMI, da cui la Virgin dipendeva, fece loro causa per… Trenta milioni di dollari, prendendo come spunto il loro nome. Trenta milioni di dollari chiesti ai Trenta Secondi Per Marte. La casa discografica sosteneva che la band non avesse rispettato i termini contrattuali di produrre almeno tre dei cinque album che avrebbero dovuto fare secondo il loro contratto.
Il film sul nuovo album cambiò rotta, e si trasformò in un documentario sulla causa in corso. Ora questo documentario è stato finito, montato e distribuito con il nome di Artifact. Diretto da Jared Leto stesso, vede come “protagonisti” i tre membri della band, Jared, Shannon e Tomo, ma anche il loro manager, il loro avvocato, musicisti di altre band che come loro hanno avuto problemi con le proprie case discografiche (Linkin’ Park, Ok Go, System Of A Down) ed ex dipendenti della EMI stessa, tanto per citarne alcuni. Il documentario dimostra ancora una volta la genialità di Jared Leto, ma anche degli altri membri della band, che non hanno mai mollato il colpo, che sono sempre stati uniti; i due fratelli Leto, depositari del nome della band e quindi citati in giudizio, hanno affrontato la tempesta della causa inizialmente increduli (in una scena del documentario si vede Shannon, che, appena ricevuta la notizia, fa fatica a credere che stia succedendo, a capire appieno l’entità della scure che si è abbattuta su di loro – trenta milioni di dollari!) ma subito dopo decisi a combattere. Contattati manager ed avvocato, Jared dichiarò subito di voler andare in tribunale, di voler essere giudicato da una giuria di suoi pari. Ed il modo per controbattere fu trovato: secondo le leggi della California, dove i tre musicisti risiedono, e dove avevano firmato il contratto, nessuno può essere legato ad un contratto per un periodo superiore ai sette anni. Il contratto con la casa discografica, invece, li legava per nove anni; ciò lo rendeva non valido. I Thirty Seconds To Mars pertanto richiesero di porre termine a quel contratto.
30 Seconds to MarsLa battaglia legale che ne seguì durò quasi un anno. Quelle lunghissime giornate sono tutte documentate in Artifact. I loro stati d’animo, dallo shock iniziale alla rabbia, dalla voglia di combattere ai momenti di sconforto; le telefonate tra Jared ed il loro manager o il loro avvocato, ma al tempo stesso la voglia di continuare ad andare avanti, di produrre l’album che avrebbe dovuto comunque vedere la luce, con o senza la casa discografica alle spalle. Ma Artifact mostra anche molto di più. Le testimonianze di altri artisti, dicevamo, o degli addetti ai lavori; spiega però anche il meccanismo usato dalle case discografiche per ottenere il massimo dai propri artisti, con ben poco rispetto per il frutto della loro creatività. Quello che Artifact ci mostra è che per le major i cantanti o le band sotto contratto non sono nient’altro che delle galline dalle uova d’oro da spremere per ottenere il massimo profitto, senza riconoscere loro quanto dovuto – dove possibile. Il meccanismo è talmente semplice da risultare quasi banale, ma proprio per questo a volte passa inosservato; non viene notato come clausole vessatorie strozzino l’artista. Un meccanismo non propriamente nuovo, ma che le case discografiche hanno messo in pratica più ferocemente negli ultimi anni anche perché, con l’avvento della musica digitale, le vendite di dischi sono crollate in un modo spaventoso, causando la chiusura di centinaia di mega store di dischi in tutto il mondo, il licenziamento di migliaia di persone e l’acquisizione delle case discografiche sull’orlo della bancarotta da parte di squali che con la musica non hanno nulla a che fare, al solo scopo di trarre il massimo profitto con la minima spesa. D’altronde, come dice uno dei testimoni di Artifact: “Le vendite di dischi sono precipitate. I giovani sotto i 21 anni si chiedono perché noi compriamo dischi, perché spendiamo soldi per qualcosa che puoi avere gratis.”
Jared e Shannon non si arresero, e vollero controbattere con qualsiasi mezzo la causa, continuando al contempo la registrazione del nuovo album. D’altronde, da un lato Shannon dice nel documentario: I just wanna play, play, play (“voglio solo suonare, suonare, suonare”) e Jared dall’altro: Sono pronto ad andare fino in fondo. Di sicuro ai due fratelli Leto, vista anche la loro infanzia ed adolescenza non sempre facili, la voglia di combattere non manca. Fu così che la causa ebbe fine il 28 aprile del 2009, quando dopo un’estenuante attesa di giorni, appuntamenti dati e cancellati da parte della EMI, richieste soddisfatte d’incontri a quattr’occhi, e così via, fu trovato un accordo. La band rifirmò per la EMI, desiderando continuare la collaborazione – nonostante il trattamento ricevuto – con la major.
30 Seconds to Mars
Anche l’album a cui stavano lavorando fu portato a termine. Come disse Jared, “Per noi era una questione di avere tutto o niente. A volte devi combattere per essere libero.” E da questa lotta per la libertà nacque la loro dichiarazione di guerra alle ingiustizie, da parte di chiunque e nei confronti di chiunque: il nuovo, terzo disco della band fu chiamato in modo significativo This Is War, perché come ha detto più volte lo stesso Jared Leto “This Is War è un album riguardo al conflitto”. Un invito alla guerra allo scopo di trovare una pace per tutti, la giustizia universale.
Ed oggi, quando ormai i Thirty Seconds To Mars sono entrati nel Guinness World of Records per il tour più lungo da parte di una rock band (più di 300 concerti per il tour di This Is War), continuano a vincere premi come miglior band, per i migliori video, od i migliori live, hanno pubblicato un quarto album che ha ottenuto un enorme successo in tutto il mondo intitolato Love Lust Faith + Dreams, sono nuovamente in tournée da mesi e mesi, hanno venduto quasi dieci milioni di album, come sono i loro rapporti con la EMI?
A rispondere è lo stesso Jared Leto alla fine di Artifact:
According to EMI, Thirty Seconds To Mars is still 1.7 million dollars in debt to them. Thirty Seconds To Mars has still never been paid for the sales of any of their albums.
(Secondo la EMI, i Thirty Seconds To Mars sono ancora in debito con loro per 1.7 milioni di dollari. I Thirty Seconds To Mars non sono stati ancora pagati per la vendita di alcuno dei loro album).
Problemi risolti, quindi? Niente affatto. Viene da chiedersi, ma i Thirty Seconds To Mars fanno tour che durano anche due anni perché amano esibirsi dal vivo e girare il mondo come pazzi (chissà se sarà mai successo loro di svegliarsi un mattino e chiedersi: ma in che cazzo di Paese del mondo sono oggi?) oppure lo fanno perché devono pagare le bollette delle loro case di Los Angeles? Forse entrambe le cose sono vere. Certo è che sembra scandaloso che una band che ha venduto milioni di copie dei loro dischi ed ottenuto i più alti riconoscimenti non sia pagata per la vendita dei suoi dischi. Diciamo la verità, sarebbe bello pensarla come Lord Byron, il più grande poeta inglese, che non volle mai essere pagato dal suo editore per la vendita dei suoi poemi perché trovava scandaloso dare un prezzo alla sua arte; sarebbe bello, ma non sarebbe giusto. Oggi gli artisti – non solo i musicisti, naturalmente, ma loro in modo particolare – generano un giro di soldi astronomico. Un indotto da capogiro. Il tutto grazie al loro genio, alla loro abilità, uniche per ciascuno di loro. Quindi, è giusto che siano pagati. È tuttavia anche vero che la digitalizzazione della musica, la possibilità di scaricare album o singoli brani gratuitamente ovunque, ha ucciso un mercato già agonizzante. I più giovani hanno perso l’emozione di stringere tra le proprie mani un album, sfogliarne il booklet, esporlo ben in vista insieme agli altri. Oggi, chiedete a qualsiasi adolescente quale sia la sua band o cantante preferiti, e la maggior parte risponderà che ascolta di tutto, ovvero ciò che capita, salvo rare eccezioni. È vero anche che, sebbene le scene di fanatismo siano sempre esistite (basta guardare cosa avveniva ai tempi dei Beatles), molte sono le fan che si sono avvicinate a band come i Thirty Seconds To Mars perché i loro componenti sono tre bellissimi uomini. Poi difficilmente distinguono un assolo di chitarra da uno di basso, senza contare di quanti si prendano effettivamente la briga di tradurre, di capire a fondo i loro testi. Basta andare su Internet e leggere i commenti delle fan nelle pagine Facebook a loro dedicate o nei vari forum. “Imbarazzante” è un aggettivo riduttivo per descrivere ciò che si legge. Forse se ci fosse una maggiore educazione alle arti, allo studio della musica, del cinema, della pittura, eccetera, non ci sarebbero schiere di adolescenti che andranno a vedere The Dallas Buyers Club, l’ultimo film girato da Jared Leto di prossima uscita anche in Italia (in molti Paesi è già uscito, ed infatti il cantante-attore ha già ricevuto innumerevoli nomination e premi, al punto che si parla già di una quasi sicura candidatura all’Oscar – e di una possibile vittoria) solo per vedere il loro beniamino rivestire i panni di una transessuale sieropositiva. Ma non ditelo loro, si offenderebbero a morte e direbbero che vanno a vedere il film per vedere come sia superbamente bravo. Chissà se poi, con lo stesso zelo, si informeranno su quale sia stata la situazione degli ammalati di AIDS nel mondo durante gli anni ’80, di come fossero stati trattai dalla politica reaganiana-tatcheriana che li vedeva come dei rifiuti della società, e che preferiva lasciarli morire piuttosto che curarli.
30 Seconds to Mars
Ecco quindi che si preferisce passare ore su Internet in cerca delle ultime foto di Jared e soci e scaricare la loro musica, piuttosto che comprare i CD in un negozio. Naturalmente, le generalizzazioni non sono mai positive, ma purtroppo questa è la verità: sono più le tracce musicali scaricate che quelle acquistate dalle persone al di sotto dei 25 anni. Questo ha fatto sì che le grandi case discografiche, che spesso erano anche proprietarie di catene di mega store dove venivano venduti CD e DVD musicali, si siano trovate ad affrontare in pochissimo tempo una crisi inimmaginabile prima dell’avvento della musica digitale.
È un circolo vizioso, di cui è difficile vedere la via d’uscita. Sicuramente Artifact è arrivato per le major discografiche, e probabilmente in particolare per la EMI, come un pugno nello stomaco. Ma qualcuno doveva pur essere il primo a spezzare il muro di omertà che protegge queste multinazionali della musica e raccontare al mondo la verità. Jared Leto ed i suoi compagni di viaggio musicale hanno avuto il coraggio di farlo, ed ora c’è solo da sperare che i nuovi artisti che firmeranno contratti discografici in futuro prestino più attenzione alle clausole prima di accettarle; solo così l’atteggiamento delle label dovrà cambiare. Nella speranza di assistere anche ad una rinascita reale della musica, dove testi e melodie diventino più importanti del bel visino di chi canta e suona.
Artifact è disponibile su iTunes od è direttamente acquistabile dal sito della band,www.thirtysecondstomars.com

10 mar 2013

Join @ShannonLeto + Me at #SXSW for #ARTIFACT
March 10th, 2013

Synopsis:

Telling harsh truths about the modern music business, “Artifact” gives intimate access to singer/actor Jared Leto and his band Thirty Seconds to Mars as they battle their label in a brutal lawsuit and record their album “This Is War”. The film is a true artifact of our times, as its subjects struggle with big questions over art, money and integrity.
Wednesday, March 13
4:30pm – 6:12pm

Paramount Theatre
713 Congress Ave

Additional screenings, tickets, + other info: bit.ly/ARTIFACTsxsw

31 gen 2013

♥ ARTIFACT at SXSW's Film Festival ♥


SXSW Film Lineup 2013

We're pleased to reveal the SXSW 2013 film lineup! Stay tuned to this page for updates as they appear, and view the full schedule here.

Showcasing the sounds, culture and influence of music and musicians, with an emphasis on documentary.
All the Labor
Director: Doug Hawes-Davis
Intimate performances and behind-the-scenes footage convey the life, labor and brotherhood of the distinctive purveyors of original American music, The Gourds, as they defy genres, expectations, and career clichés over two decades of musical joy.
(World Premiere)
Artifact
Director: Bartholomew Cubbins
Telling harsh truths about the modern music business, Artifact gives intimate access to singer/actor Jared Leto and his band Thirty Seconds to Mars as they battle their label in a brutal lawsuit and record their album This Is War. 
A Band Called Death
Directors: Mark Christopher Covino, Jeff Howlett
Before Bad Brains, the Sex Pistols and the Ramones, there was a band called Death.
Born in Chicago
Director: John Anderson
Passed down from musician to musician, the Chicago blues transcended the color lines of the 1960s as young, white Chicago musicians apprenticed themselves to legends such as Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf.
(World Premiere)
Broadway Idiot
Director: Doug Hamilton
Punk Rock meets Broadway - WTF!?! Go behind the curtain with Green Day lead singer, Billie Joe Armstrong, as he ventures into the strange new world of Broadway. Will Billie Joe – or Broadway – ever be the same?
(World Premiere)
Brothers Hypnotic
Director: Reuben Atlas
Eight brothers, extraordinary brass musicians from Chicago’s South Side, test their brotherhood and their father's legacy against mounting mainstream success.
(World Premiere)
¡Cuatro!
Director: Tim Wheeler
The film takes you inside the world of Green Day, chronicling the conceptualizing and recording of their current musical trilogy (Green Day ¡Uno! Green Day ¡Dos! Green Day ¡Tré!) and featuring intimate live performances that took place along the way.
Finding the Funk
Director/Screenwriter: Nelson George
A look at Funk’s past, present and enduring influence on contemporary music.
(World Premiere)
Good Vibrations (UK, Ireland)
Directors: Lisa Barros D'sa, Glenn Leyburn, Screenwriters: Colin Carberry, Glenn Patterson
A chronicle of Terri Hooley's life, a record-store owner instrumental in developing Belfast's punk-rock scene.
Cast : Richard Dormer, Jodie Whittaker, Michael Colgan, Karl Johnson, Liam Cunningham 
(North American Premiere)
The Punk Singer
Director: Sini Anderson
What happened to Kathleen Hanna? The Punk Singer - a feature-length documentary about the musician (Bikini Kill, Le Tigre) and feminist icon - tells the story of where she’s been, and where she is now.
(World Premiere)
Reincarnated
Director: Andy Capper
The film follows Snoop Dogg on an intimate, spiritual journey, depicting the life and times of a conflicted modern icon striving for light in a world of darkness.
(North American Premiere)
Twenty Feet from Stardom
Director: Morgan Neville
The untold story of the backup singer in popular music. It is a celebration of the voices from the edge, which brought shape and style to the soundtracks of our lives.



Artifact


Synopsis: Telling harsh truths about the modern music business, Artifact gives intimate access to singer/actor Jared Leto and his band Thirty Seconds to Mars as they battle their label in a brutal lawsuit and record their album This Is War. The film is a true artifact of our times, as its subjects struggle with big questions over art, money and integrity.

Credits: 
Director: Bartholomew Cubbins
Producer: Jared Leto, Emma Ludbrook
Editor: Stefanie Visser, Daniel Hernandez, Ishai Setton, Shelby Siegel (Supervising Editor)
Music: Thirty Seconds to Mars, Cliff Martinez, M.I.A.
Principal Cast: Jared Leto, Shannon Leto, Tomo Milicevic, Chester Bennington, Brandon Boyd, Serj Tankian, Steve Lilywhite, Kenna.


Director Bio: Bartholomew Cubbins has directed numerous award-winning videos for the band Thirty Seconds to Mars. Artifact (12) is his debut documentary feature. His next project is a documentary on the rare North American Ivory-Billed Woodpecker.

Contact: 
Sales Agent: CAA
Public Film Contact 
Emma Ludbrook
Sisyphus Productions
info@artifactthefilm.com


CREDENTIALS WITH ACCESS
Film Badge, Gold Badge, Platinum Badge, Film Festival Wristband
DIRECTOR
Bartholomew Cubbins
SCREENING SECTION (THEME)
24 Beats Per Second
DETAILS
Documentary Feature 
English 
USA 
2012 
HDCAM 
102 MIN 



28 nov 2012

Jared Interview on Vulture ♥

Jared Leto on His Toronto Doc, His War With EMI, and How to Get Him to Invite You on a Hike
9/19/12 at 6:07 PM

Jared Leto lives in Los Angeles, but at the Toronto Film Festival premiere of his documentary Artifact, about his band 30 Seconds to Mars’s legal battle with their record label, EMI, last week, he was definitely on home field. Nearly everyone in attendance seemed to be a megafan; we spotted several women with pyramid tattoos symbolizing their devotion to an elite “family” of 30 Seconds to Mars fans known as the Echelon. When the frontman and sometimes-actor (Jordan Catalano!) told the crowd he would take questions from those who’d come from furthest afield, a woman next to us shouted, “I’m from Portugal!” Leto didn’t hear. Then he said he’d take questions from people from Toronto. “What about from Buffalo?!” shouted the same woman. By the end of the Q&A, after having not gotten picked, she had run to the stage and was throwing a scarf (a gift, presumably) at Leto and holding her hand over her heart telling him he didn’t know what he means to people. After that display, he probably does. And after Leto led the audience in a “Yes, we can” chant about voting for the film, it won the People’s Choice Award for best documentary, despite having debuted just three days before the end of the festival.
But the film, which Leto directed under his pseudonym Bartholomew Cubbins, has a lot for non-fans, too, using EMI’s $30 million suit against the band for breach of contract as a launching point for talking about the fucked-up state of the music industry. Despite selling 3 million copies of their second album, A Beautiful Lie, the band — Leto on vocals and rhythm guitar, his brother Shannon on drums, and Tomo Milicevic on lead guitar and keys — found themselves more than a million dollars in debt to EMI having, they claim, never made a dime off any of the sales of their album, and they wanted out. Then, just as they were starting to make a documentary chronicling the making of their third album, EMI sued them, turning it into a documentary about them making an album in the face of a massive legal battle that might prevent the album from getting released. They eventually renegotiated with EMI, deciding that it was the only option. Jada Yuan spoke to Leto at the Shangri-La Hotel in Toronto just before he flew back to L.A. [SPOILERS ahead, though this is a documentary, so if you know the band’s history, you probably know what happens in the movie.]
*I’m confused. You were the director of the movie as well as its subject?
I mean, yeah, I don't know if I'm the star. Me or EMI. I can’t figure it out.
Does that make the movie less credible, in that you have the ability to control your own portrayal?
I think no. I think that it's the equivalent of saying, you know, Is Anne Frank a less credible authority on the subject that she was writing about? I'm not comparing myself to Anne Frank or the challenges that we had to her tragic situation, but what I'm saying is that you can have a personal experience and have it be authentic and make a document of that, whether it's painting, a book, or a film and still have it be credible and be an authority on the subject.
But I mean, you guys come off as very sympathetic.
You know, I don't think that was talked about very much or addressed, the sympathetic stance of the film, nor was it a focus to vilify the record label. We told our story from our point of view, how we saw it. It's not an objective film. It's a subjective film.
As much as you say the film didn’t vilify EMI, the record label did come off pretty badly. There were some people from the Canadian branch of EMI in the audience. Did you talk to them afterward?
Yeah, a bit. But I think the people that actually do the work at these companies understand, and like I said last night, I'm not anti-record company. I'm anti-greed, and I'm pro-fairness. So the people that actually did the work, we interviewed a lot of them in the film, and we give everyone a fair shake. They did sue us for 30 million bucks, right? [Laughs.] If we can set aside our differences after that, then they should be able to accept that fact that we made a film about it.
I was amazed to find out that a lot of the EMI employees you interviewed had still been working for the company when you made the movie but had all lost their jobs or left them since.
Yeah. Some were actually working and either since had been fired or left. And there's a lot of change in that industry. There always has been, ever since I've been signed, and there are probably more coming.
Well, so how do you feel about reattaching yourself to a company that’s in constant turmoil?
Um, it's a whole new regime: The people that were in power at EMI have since left. Lost control of the company. Lost billions of dollars in the process. [Terra Firma, run by London mogul Guy Hands, had purchased the label for 4.2 billion pounds in August 2007 and sold to Citigroup in February 2011 after a loss of several billion pounds. During the Terra Firma ownership, the label sued Pink Floyd and saw Radiohead walk away.] So, you know, I don't have a problem with a group of people around the world that are there to help artists realize their goals, their dreams, their ambitions.
[There is a loud, chiming alarm going off in the hotel.] I'm sorry. What is this sound? Do we ignore it?
[Continuing on, ignoring the sound.] I don't really have a problem with that. I have a problem with, you know, those companies not treating artists fairly. But I think it's great that there are companies around the world that help people realize their dreams. Boots on the ground is a wonderful thing.
At the end of the movie, there’s a postscript that says that EMI still claims you’re $1.7 million in debt to them and that you’ve still never made any money from the sale of your albums. The film ends so triumphantly with them caving to your demands and you getting a great new contract. So, my question is: What happened? How is possible that they didn’t forgive the debt?
Exactly. That's the question.
You have lawyers! You made it sound like you were starting over with a clean slate.
I thought so as well. I thought so as well. [Laughs.]
What happened?
I have no idea. You know, it's another chapter in a never-ending saga here.
Have you at least changed lawyers now?
That’s a great question. I'll make sure to ask my lawyer after this. "Hey, I just did an interview with someone who thinks we should fire you, number one. Number two, why's this happening?" I think it's a good example of the insanity of the business. We're still in debt, still never made any money and, you know, we've had a phenomenal amount of success. So therein lies the debate.
What was the deal you got? What made it better than the deal you had before?
Well, you can imagine how bad our deal was before ... legally, there are some restraints as far as talking about specifics. So, uh, I'm not really allowed to talk about specifics.
Are you indentured to them for fewer albums?
We have one more album after the one we're making now. So we're in the middle of making another album right now. It's a lot more fun to make an album without a $30 million lawsuit than it is with one.
Do you feel like being up against the wall like that while making your third album gave you creative fire?
It did. I'm certainly glad that we went through this, had this experience. I think it made us stronger. It inspired an album — I mean, it's called This Is War for a reason. It will always be an important part of our story. We're really glad that we chose to take this on. We chose to fight.
There is a slight sense of mythmaking in the movie. You very poetically describe how you and your brother “climbed out of the muddy banks of the Mississippi with our instruments in one hand and food stamps in the other.” And there are some conversations with your lawyers on speakerphone that seem too perfect to be true. Was anything staged?
No, all of those are real; 100 percent real. As soon as you make an edit, you manipulate. So in that way there's a lot of creation. But it's a document of what happened. There's no crazier fiction than reality, right? And that's certainly the case here: You don't have to make this shit up. Irving Azoff [their manager] and Peter Paterno [their lawyer] and Bob Lefsetz [music writer] — these characters, these icons, these titans of the industry — they're wonderful because they say everything they think because they don't give a fuck. They've got nothing to fear, and they're brave enough to kind of put it all out there. This is a different experience for me, too. I've been in front the camera a lot in my life and I've never revealed … I've never woken up with a camera in my face. Literally. And shared these moments. So it's kind of strange. I'm a really private person, and, you know, I have my comfort level with what I do with my work and public life and all of that. And this certainly breaks new ground for me.
There's a lot of talk in the movie about how you don't care about money. But then there’s also a lot of talk about money, too.
Well, I don't say we don't care about money. I never say that. I said that we never worked for money. And I still have that philosophy. I don't go to work for money. I've never chased money. Or else I'd have much different career. And I wouldn't have made this film, that's for sure — of where I'll lose money.
You will?
Of course!
Because it cost a lot of money.
An enormous amount of money! It did cost a lot of money over four years. You don't make money on films like this. This isn't a popcorn flick. It's not going to have a big, wide distribution. You do it because you love it. You're compelled to tell a story. That's why I've done everything I've done: because I've been compelled to do it. But, I think, money is discussed as well because, you know, that's value. And there's an incredible amount of money generated, but that revenue is being held onto and not shared with, not only the artists, but the employees of the companies as well. I'm sure a lot of employees at EMI would watch this film and actually empathize with the band, because if they're treating artists like this, you better believe they're treating employees like this as well.
It’s funny that you’ve made this movie about the horrible time you’ve had with your record deal, and now you’re going to have to negotiate that same territory in the movie industry.
We don't have to. We could Kickstarter the film. We may do that.
How?
You basically would use it as a platform to presell your movie, whether it is DVDs or tickets to a screening or, uh, anything else.
Why is your whole acting career sort of almost not mentioned in the movie?
I don't think there was really much thought about it. I don't think we felt that we were missing anything.
Do you feel like having been an actor before you did 30 Seconds to Mars helped the band, at least initially?
Absolutely not. No, I think it hurt us.
Really?
Of course.
But didn’t it give you recognition, of not just being any old band starting out?
No, no. It was the opposite of recognition. You know that.
How do I know that?
I think having been an actor and then making music — do you know anybody that's ever gotten an easy time from that?
I don't know. Did Kris Kristofferson sing first or act first?
You tell me. I think you start at a deficit. 
How do you feel about acting now? Do you still want to be doing it?
There's a lot about it that I love. I've always loved filmmaking. I started as a painter. I was studying to be an artist, at an art school. Then I switched to filmmaking, and I got interested in acting. I thought that would be an interesting thing to learn about, and then to continue with directing. I'd been making music since I was a kid. I had always made music. It became a bigger and bigger part of my life. Now that we've had some success, it's really hard to find the time to make a film. It's a great chunk of time that you have to be very committed to. So I haven't made a movie in quite some time.
Do you still want to?
I think at some point, maybe, it would be interesting to try it again.
But it's not a burning desire anymore? Was it ever?
Yeah, for sure. I think it has to be, at least for the things I was doing. I don't think you would want to do it unless it was a burning desire.
Like Darren Aronofsky, being in Requiem for a Dream?
Yeah. That was a really intense journey. So I think if it's not a burning desire, you probably shouldn't be doing it. But, um, I do have a love of cinema. I like to make things and share them with people. That's really all I do. Whether it's music or its acting or its filmmaking — I like to create things and then share those things with people. That seems to be the common thing. It's pretty simple at its core.
Is there a reason why you look like Kurt Cobain in parts of the —
— No.
— because there’s a whole section where you have dyed blonde hair and stubble and are doing a photo shoot thrashing around with Terry Richardson.
— No, no. Just coincidence. [Pause.]
Okay. Just curious. Was there anything weird to see of yourself on film?
Uh, it's a weird experience to share my personal life. I think overall that's a different thing for me. I'm not used to that.
Any part that you were, like "Ah, man I wish this wasn't out there."
I didn't really love the argument with my brother and I.
When you were ragging on him for not getting the beat to a track right?
Yeah. I felt like the film had so much conflict in it already. I toyed with the idea of chopping that out of the movie. I thought, There’s so much conflict, and do you really need to see it in the band, too? Where we talk about conflict all the time? I left it in because [my editors] Shelby [Siegel] and Stefanie [Visser] liked the fact that you see the band affected by what was going on. And I agreed. It was a really stressful time. I mean, we're all human.
I like the parts that were just the band goofing off.
Some levity and stuff, right?
Well, it gave sense of like why you would want to be in a band. It seems like a nice lifestyle.
It's not always about that. I mean, from the band perspective. I think for me, I make music because I'm compelled to do it. And I have been since I was a kid. It's not to goof off. I never had that approach. I mean, I can go on a hike. I don't need to make music to have a good time. It's like, I don't know, why you write. Why do you write?
I don't know, it's what I know how to do.
There you go … these reasons why we do the things we do. They're interesting questions. There's another film there, to get into that deeper … uh … antagonistic questions here you ask.
[Surprised.] They are? How so?
I don't know. You put a little spin on it. It's interesting. What's next? [Looks at my notebook.]
Well, I don’t know how this will sound, but whenever I’ve gone on a hike with an actor in L.A., and it hasn’t been that many times, for interviews, they always end up breathing really hard. I think it’s funny that I’m with people who are supposed to be working out all day long and walking up a canyon in L.A. just knocks them out.
I'll take you on a hike. You wanna go on my hike? I'll take you on a hike.
Well, you were breathing pretty hard on the hike in the movie.
Oh, I was very sick. So what's your point? [Grinning.]
I just thought it might have been funny to see yourself on film, getting knocked out by a hike a little bit.
No.
[Laughs.]
I didn't think that. But I was very sick. I wasn’t even walking up a hill. It was a street, basically. It looks like a hike. But it was a paved little road, about 300 yards.
No judgment. The hikes kill me in L.A. too.
There are some fun hikes out there. I'll take you on one sometime if you want.
Not trying to be antagonistic. I just don’t want to repeat what was in the movie.
Sure, sure. I'm game .
You said in the Q&A that you're going to keep editing the movie?
The movie's not done yet. For us it's a chance to take what we learned here, make it better, and, you know, hopefully we can do that. Tighten it up. Make it more succinct. Cut out the shot of me breathing too heavily while I'm hiking because I'm not in shape enough.
[Laughs.]
I'm gonna bring you on a hike next time in L.A.
No, I'll die! I'm not saying I’m in shape —
I’m the one who’s going to die. We'll see. No complaining though, when we go up there.
Promise. You show some funny encounters with fans in the movie. What's been your weirdest fan encounter in Toronto?
Oh! I just went to a screening to introduce the film and I'm about to go back for Q&A — but I had this guy yell my name from across the street and he started running towards us and the people I was with started getting concerned, because he was very animated and excited. And he ran across the street. And he started taking his shirt off, "I've gotta show you something, what I did, what you inspired me to do!" And he ripped his shirt off and he had a tattoo with lyrics from This Is War ... and he ended up being really cool. He was a kid in art school here, like a real creative young kid. 
Oh, that's cool.
So I hope that the film creates some conversation beyond "Jared's so out of shape."
[Laughs.]
Walking up this mountain …
I wasn’t saying that!
And what else were some of these questions here? [Looks at my notepad.] Why does he look like Kurt Cobain?
You did look like Kurt Cobain. You can’t deny it! And then there's that whole Terry Richardson thing —
— and Terry Richardson. What else? What else? Keep pickin' on me. Come on. What else you got?
You did look a lot like Kurt Cobain and —
— Sorry, I don't know. I have blonde hair and a scruffy beard.
What’s next for you?
We're about 80 percent done with new album, and we are focusing on that mostly.
You’ll tour again when?
Next year. We did two years, four months, 311 shows.
I loved the moment at the end of the movie when you asked the audience at a concert, "How many of you stole the album off the Internet?” And everybody was like, "Me!"
Yeah, right, wasn't that crazy?  And I must have said that, like, 50 times.
It's like they don't even get it, right?
No. No. And you know its not entirely their fault, you know? I'm not so sure that the way people feel about record companies doesn't play into the fact that, the justification that people actually use when they actually do steal music. There's not a lot of love there for record companies from audiences out there. And they should change that. I mean, if I had a company and people felt as negatively as consumers seem to feel about record companies, I'd wanna change that, you know? I wouldn't want to feel that way? Would you want to work at a company that people hated? That would make me feel really bad. And I feel badly for the people that work at the company. There's a lot of great people there that work really, really, really hard — and they deserve better. I hope that it continues to change.
I think you're supposed to go. [His business partner, Emma Ludbrick, is motioning that he needs to go to the Q&A.]
Can't wait to read this. Are you going to be nice to me?
Yeah! It's a just a Q&A. It's your own words.
Is it? But you know. Oh, but come on. You know! You're too smart.
Do I know what?
What did you study in school?
History.
History? Hmmm. I thought maybe you were a psychology major.
No …
I love history, though. I could have easily studied history. I love to read about history. And I don't read enough about it. But that's always my favorite thing, historical things. What's the best book on history I should read, besides A People's History of the United States?
Oh, I mean. I’ve been out of school for so long, but I likedAmerican Slavery, American Freedom.
There are some biographies that are pretty good, right? What about the guy who wrote the Steve Jobs book? Have you read his other books?
Walter Isaacson? No. I mean, what I liked about studying history was going through primary sources, not reading history books.
How long have you been at your job now?
Like twelve years. Forever.
You're too young for that.
No, I'm 34.
I'm 40.
You don't look 40. How does it feel?
I can't wait to get you on that hill. When you come to L.A., I am going to take you on that hike.
And I will die.
And I am going to pound you. I'm going to tell Emma. [To Emma] Emma, she made fun of me for breathing hard in the film. Like “’Every time I go on a hike with an actor they're always breathing hard.’ She’s like, ‘They’re all out of shape. Is there anything in the film that you're embarrassed by?'"